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Discussion for Today
[edit]- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025_March_23
March 23
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Category:People from the Øresund Region
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Not diffusing; not defining – just all "Category:People from" the area that is now branded as the Øresund Region, born at any time, without any specific connection to it. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Lists of 20th-century trips
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Lists of 20th-century trips to Category:Lists of 20th-century diplomatic visits
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of 21st-century trips to Category:Lists of 21st-century diplomatic visits
- Nominator's rationale: rename, aligning with Category:Lists of diplomatic visits by heads of state. Almost, but not every, article in the nominated categories is about a head of state. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Chronology by event
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Chronology by event to Category:Chronological summaries by sports competition
- Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content of the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Elliot Rodger copycat crimes
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Strains of copycat crimes can be defining (and is for Christchurch and Columbine, which have had academic works written about them in connection with the attacks they inspired), but there has not been a single actually confirmed or generally agreed upon Isla Vista copycat attack and the phenomenon is not really discussed as it does not exist. The Toronto van attack tie to Isla Vista was later revealed to be a lie the perp of that made up for attention and the connection to the others is not established, and is not even mentioned in some of these articles - the perp merely being an incel who mentioned him does not a copycat make. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:50, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Creator was also indeffed as a sock (not that that alters the merits of the category). PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:54, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment, some of the articles may be moved to Category:Copycat crimes. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- The problem is that none of these are really copycat crimes. Maybe Toronto van attack. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:01, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Needs third opinion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Lists of days
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Lists of days to Category:Lists of observances
- Nominator's rationale: merge, largely overlapping scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:1st house of Courtenay
[edit]- Propose merging Category:1st house of Courtenay to Category:House of Courtenay
- Propose merging Category:Burial sites of the 1st house of Courtenay to Category:Burial sites of the House of Courtenay
- Nominator's rationale: Merge per nom. Being honest, I can't tell the distinction between the "1st" and the "House of Courtenay". As far as I can tell, its the same family/relation. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:32, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
- It appears that Peter I of Courtenay established a different House of Courtenay, as a branch of the French royal family. The members are in Category:Capetian House of Courtenay. The original Courtenays moved to England at the time. It is likely, but not certain, that the two Polish people in Category:House of Courtenay actually belong in Category:Capetian House of Courtenay. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:15, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. This is a term invented by wikipedia and should therefore be eliminated as unverifiable and non-defining. It does not meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Categorization#Categorizing articles. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:56, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- Deletion is certainly not an option because these people were of the same family. Either rename, with a more explicit disambiguator, or merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:04, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:People associated with GLAAD
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by association. The people categorized here were not all associated with GLAAD in the same way -- some were presidents, some were staffers, some were board members -- so they cannot simply be generically categorized as "associated with". Bearcat (talk) 22:27, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Presidents of GLAAD and purge if needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any thoughts on Marcocapelle's suggestion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, it's lio! | talk | work 06:48, 2 March 2025 (UTC) - Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:55, 10 March 2025 (UTC) - @Bearcat: thoughts? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:55, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Rename to presidents category as suggested above. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:30, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:GLAAD staff members. ApexParagon (talk) 19:43, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Dispute of scope: All staff, or only presidents?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:57, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Bolshevik Regional Forces During The Russian Civil War
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Not sure what the purpose of this category is supposed to be. It appears to be a collection of republics, which are already well categorized, rather than a collection of "Regional Forces." Gjs238 (talk) 12:46, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- The category was originally meant to be a collection of soviet republics and regional forces that existed during the russian civil and acted under the bolsheviks. The list came from a previous version of the russian civil war article which at present does not list these republics, instead listing them under "Regional forces". I tried adding the category as a link in the infobox but ran into problems. In my opinion, the category still has use since it directly links several soviet republics with little documentation outside of their own articles and esspecialy within the russian civil article which makes little mention of them. BreadStickGuy (talk) 13:14, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, Soviet republics are already in Category:Republics of the Soviet Union. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:57, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- That is also wrong, only some of them are in that category since the rest ceased to exist following the Union Treaty such as the Persian, Galician, Far-Eastern etc. There is simply little documentation for these early soviet republics outside of this category. This can be fixed if these early republics are added into the existing Republics of the Soviet Union which i am open too. BreadStickGuy (talk) 02:14, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Agree on adding them to Category:Republics of the Soviet Union if they aren't already there. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:46, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- That is also wrong, only some of them are in that category since the rest ceased to exist following the Union Treaty such as the Persian, Galician, Far-Eastern etc. There is simply little documentation for these early soviet republics outside of this category. This can be fixed if these early republics are added into the existing Republics of the Soviet Union which i am open too. BreadStickGuy (talk) 02:14, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:56, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Tyla (South African singer)
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Tyla (South African singer) to Category:Tyla
- Nominator's rationale: I was going to submit a speedy rename request per C2D before realizing that this was requested 5 months ago but was opposed at Category talk:Tyla (South African singer) on the grounds of "Tyla" being too ambiguous. I disagree with this assertion because the main subject article has no disambiguation required and there is nothing at the non-existent Tyla cat. Considering no formal CfD was initiated from that original discussion, I am starting this now. People looking for a cat about Tyla would not be surprised to find articles only for the singer mononymously known as Tyla. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:36, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Support, all I can say is that I was the one who requested the move/rename 5 months ago. dxneo (talk) 04:03, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, too ambiguous. After renaming, people may well add articles of other Tylas to this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Even when Tyla is the primary topic of the singer predominantly known by this name? That's why Tyla (disambiguation) exists, and if any other Tylas from that DAB warranted a cat of their own, I'm pretty sure they would be properly disambiguated. That logic just does not add up to me. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:08, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- People can add articles to categories without looking at the main article or even without looking at the category page, so disambiguators are more important for categories than for articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- I suppose, but reasonably, most editors would likely do their due diligence first. We cannot and should not preemptively take inaction just because some people could assume something that is incorrect. I find it hard to believe someone would genuinely want to add this cat thinking it would be for anyone with this name. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:54, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Saying people might add other articles to the cat is not really valid reason, because there are lots of Chris Browns and we do not see that happening. Beside, we will keep our eyes on the cat to make sure that simple mistake does not happen. dxneo (talk) 23:22, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
- I suppose, but reasonably, most editors would likely do their due diligence first. We cannot and should not preemptively take inaction just because some people could assume something that is incorrect. I find it hard to believe someone would genuinely want to add this cat thinking it would be for anyone with this name. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:54, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- People can add articles to categories without looking at the main article or even without looking at the category page, so disambiguators are more important for categories than for articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Even when Tyla is the primary topic of the singer predominantly known by this name? That's why Tyla (disambiguation) exists, and if any other Tylas from that DAB warranted a cat of their own, I'm pretty sure they would be properly disambiguated. That logic just does not add up to me. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:08, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:55, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
700s–990s in Japan
[edit]- Propose merging Category:700s in Japan (5) to Category:8th century in Japan and Category:700s
- Propose merging Category:710s in Japan (5) to Category:8th century in Japan and Category:710s
- Propose merging Category:720s in Japan (4) to Category:8th century in Japan and Category:720s
- Propose merging Category:730s in Japan (3) to Category:8th century in Japan and Category:730s
- Propose merging Category:740s in Japan (4) to Category:8th century in Japan and Category:740s
- Nominator's rationale: Not useful for navigation through at least the end of the 10th century. WP:NARROW/WP:OCYEAR. Manually merge to the decade parent as many of the articles may already be in subcategories of that category. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:38, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Century categories are not particularly helpful when trying to locate specific eras or events. Dimadick (talk) 16:43, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, these categories should be kept and where possible further populated, not upmerged to very broad categories. Fram (talk) 16:56, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Consensus was to merge to century level up to year 1000 per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 3#Up to year 1000 in China, England, France and Japan. These are actually recreations of deleted categories. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:39, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- That was "per SMALLCAT" which no longer has consensus, and that was for year categories, not for decade categories. We have already lost so much useful categories due to the imagined need for bigger, less precise categories because, well, no idea why, losing information for the sake of having less categories I guess. Why would you force a reader who is interested in the 700s in Japan to go through all the articles from the 800s in Japan, or all the articles from the 700s, to get what they need? Fram (talk) 08:53, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- The discussion was for both years and decades. And 700s and 800s are in separate centuries, so a reader would not need to do that. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:50, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, that 700/800 typo I made sure made all the difference there... Fram (talk) 13:01, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- It makes all the difference. The decade categories were deleted by consensus via the linked discussion. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:27, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, that 700/800 typo I made sure made all the difference there... Fram (talk) 13:01, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed. Need to populate time categories on a finer level, not remove existing work that merely results in less precise categories. Doprendek (talk) 22:21, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- The discussion was for both years and decades. And 700s and 800s are in separate centuries, so a reader would not need to do that. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:50, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- That was "per SMALLCAT" which no longer has consensus, and that was for year categories, not for decade categories. We have already lost so much useful categories due to the imagined need for bigger, less precise categories because, well, no idea why, losing information for the sake of having less categories I guess. Why would you force a reader who is interested in the 700s in Japan to go through all the articles from the 800s in Japan, or all the articles from the 700s, to get what they need? Fram (talk) 08:53, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- Consensus was to merge to century level up to year 1000 per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 3#Up to year 1000 in China, England, France and Japan. These are actually recreations of deleted categories. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:39, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom and WP:G4. After merging it will become much easier between the articles of the century. Within a decade there is very little to navigate to. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:11, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Disagree. Time categories like years are inherent categories. One knows what the categories will be even if they "don't exist" yet (i.e. don't have an included Wikipedia article--yet). The answer in this and other cases of (for now) "underpopulated" years is to always include a good breadcrumb template at the top of the category to easily move to the next or previous year in the category. This provides not only simpler navigation but more precise categorization. If people who insist on "ease of navigation" through years really want to help out, I suggest a discussion on assigning an all-purpose standardized year navigation template, expected in any year category, that would have a robust skip-gap feature that seamlessly incorporates years as they are added to the category. Doprendek (talk) 15:43, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- There is no such thing as inherent categories, we create categories upon need. In ancient periods there is no need for years, in even more ancient periods there is no need for decades. The chance that someone interested in the ancient history of Japan is only interested in the 950s is very close to zero. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:20, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
- Disagree. Time categories like years are inherent categories. One knows what the categories will be even if they "don't exist" yet (i.e. don't have an included Wikipedia article--yet). The answer in this and other cases of (for now) "underpopulated" years is to always include a good breadcrumb template at the top of the category to easily move to the next or previous year in the category. This provides not only simpler navigation but more precise categorization. If people who insist on "ease of navigation" through years really want to help out, I suggest a discussion on assigning an all-purpose standardized year navigation template, expected in any year category, that would have a robust skip-gap feature that seamlessly incorporates years as they are added to the category. Doprendek (talk) 15:43, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:49, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia categories named after events
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia categories named after events
- Propose merging Category:Wikipedia categories named after events by type to Category:Eponymous categories
- Nominator's rationale: delete/merge, "events" is used here in the vague meaning of "anything that happened". The subcategories do not really have something in common. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Wireless Power Consortium
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: The two pages are already interlinked, the current category doesn't help navigation SMasonGarrison 02:24, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 23 March 2025 (UTC)